Feature request: Standardized 4k test project.

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vkmast wrote on 7/9/2019, 3:03 AM

@JN_ you all have the same forum features regarding topics available to you as the moderators have. Why don't you just go ahead and do it? You'll see soon enough if there is interest enough there.

Grazie wrote on 7/9/2019, 3:05 AM

@JN_ Who be the Ringmaster?

Grazie

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j-v wrote on 7/9/2019, 3:14 AM

While others work in a possible (most) different way with the the program as I do, I'm totally not interested in benchmarks and other proof of slower and faster doing their thing.

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JN_ wrote on 7/9/2019, 3:22 AM

@vkmast That was actually my original idea, but then I thought that maybe users might prefer a moderator.

So I can collect the votes and i’ll announce the result by 18:00 hours next Tuesday, Dublin time.

If anyone else, say the ringmaster would like to collect the votes, by all means do. If I hear no other offers to collect the votes just take it that the voting commences at 6pm this evening, Dublin time, roughly 8 hours from now.

When @Kinvermark wakes up he can give his input on all of this if he wishes.

My suggestion is to give a singular result next Tuesday, one or the other of which benchmark to use of the two suggested, individual scores will not be published, but the total number of votes cast will be published, this will give us an idea of the interest or otherwise of this endeavour.

Users can simply send me a PM along the lines of “my preference is “xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx”, a single item, its not proportional representation 🤣.

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JN_ wrote on 7/9/2019, 3:47 AM

@JN_ Who be the Ringmaster?

@Grazie

@Kinvermark, he started this thread.

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VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

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i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

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Kinvermark wrote on 7/9/2019, 9:14 AM

Good morning, awake now :) - west coast Canada.

OK, so in the 10 minutes before I have to get to work...

THANKS! for the enuthusiasm. I had to skim read the posts, but I think I get the gist.

1) @JN_ Please go ahead and collect votes for us regarding which project to use.

2) I don't think it is practical for a forum member or moderator to host the project or to collect results over the long term. We need someone with "skin in the game" so that means either Magix, or someone with a website that is related to Vegas Pro.

There is a new Social Media Manager for Magix in Wisconsin. She is active on the Facebook page, but maybe not here.

I also thought of Dr. Zen, as he has a training website & forum that would be perfect for this.

I don't have time to contact either them now, but can try on the weekend. If anyone has time to do this sooner, please go ahead.

Other ideas for hosts?

3) In the meanwhile, a discussion of data to be collected, report format and any other technical issues would be helpful. A simple excel style table is fine by me. I think both the tester's forum name and system details should be published along with the render type(s) and time(s).

JN_ wrote on 7/9/2019, 10:35 AM

 

@Kinvermark “I think both the testers forum name .....”

Maybe you missed this, it’s covered in my comprehensive post, do add to or modify as needs be. I’ve also made up a user data entry format of this data to be entered in a .txt file.

User name: Machine: VP version: CPU: GPU: OC: Encoding: Render time: FPS: Comments: etc”

Maybe check my large post on page 1 of this thread, theres a lot covered there, 10 minutes isn’t enough, just get up earlier🤪

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

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VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

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Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

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Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

JN_ wrote on 7/9/2019, 11:23 AM

The two biggies to decide on are 1) render output template, i.e. is a single h264 sufficient or do we also need hevc. No harm in doing one or both I guess, but better to settle on just one? 2) Whether render out to 2K or 4K or both? The data rates need to be set also.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

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Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

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Musicvid wrote on 7/9/2019, 11:53 AM

Good morning, awake now :) - west coast Canada.

jfyi, Gordon Laing aka cameralabs.com lives and works out of Brighton, UK (other thread).

Grazie wrote on 7/9/2019, 8:17 PM

@Musicvid - Luvin’ your Piccie! Handsome Dude.

Grazie

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Musicvid wrote on 7/10/2019, 12:03 AM

It's kind of ..., not current.

JN_ wrote on 7/10/2019, 5:12 AM

Polling booths are open since yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, closing on the 16th. of this month at 6PM Dublin time. Simply Private Message myself with your choice of either JV's Sample Project 4K or Howards Red Car 4K package .. Example .. my choice is xxxx

 

Do exercise your right to vote, remember the two candidates spent their time and expertise in putting them together.

 

If you need to check out either test package see below ...

Download links ...

Howards ... https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/proxy/a08857d93e81b208e8a5/?link=https%3A//drive.google.com/open%3Fid%3D1TK2lyFZSlzU9JQ8xO1mvoj-zl9tyj2lc

JV's ... https://www.dropbox.com/s/huk6mfdfjaxawb8/SampleProject%204K.zip?dl=0

JV's ... Alternate download link ... https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/proxy/f5df4c408b36cf42b3c7/?link=https%3A//www.dropbox.com/sh/we0paonvz9fmdce/AABTA_DgOiRFQ67kaYeoBOAra%3Fdl%3D0

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 7/11/2019, 12:04 AM

Just spotted this thread. The 4K Red Car that I've contributed to was conceived by folks from the Cape Cod Media Center and Lower Cape TV which I'm affiliated with. I'm not sure it's a true simulation of a 4K project because it uses the same project and media from the original Vegas 11 Press Release project with the original 1920x1080-30p HD video clips upscaled to 3840x2160-30p 4K. In addition to my colleagues, I've gotten some feedback from folks here in pm's and posts. The consensus seems to be that real 4k footage might be more realistic than artificially upscaled... and some of my buds with 4K cameras are thinking of doing that. Ha, ha, my wife drives a red car but it's a VW. Bigger problem is that BlackMagic is what many of my friends shoot with but Vegas doesn't natively support that. Personally, I'm inclined to wait till Vegas improves its native 4K camera support. Another big interest expressed is doing the same project with the same media in a different NLE for direct comparison. If anyone has done this already, there's allot of interest in comparing performance with DaVinci, FinalCut, and Premier... that would be a huge contribution. The 3rd bit of feedback I got is that the 4K version we did just doesn't put up enough of a challenge... it's too easy to run and render. Someone here mentioned a Torture Test version which turned out to be so easy to implement with no changes to the project or additional media I just went ahead and did it. I also was asked if i could provide the make-script I used to create the meaty ProRes 4K upscale along with the source and I went ahead and did that too. It's all here with timings I got on my system:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TK2lyFZSlzU9JQ8xO1mvoj-zl9tyj2lc

Grazie wrote on 7/11/2019, 12:43 AM

@Howard-Vigorita - So, it would appear that I've been using a Project file that makes for that REGION 5 a kludge on my new PC? As I keep on saying ALL the other Regions Preview superbly and it's only that REGION 5 that brings VP and my PC to its knees.

Firstly, this has left my Builders scratching their collective heads not understanding just why this Project should cripple VP+NEW-PC. I downloaded this Stress Test Red Car in the NOT unreasonable expectation that it would at least be compliant to work with. I've been sitting back here quietly pondering over the expenditure of this PC, and considering that I've made a mistake!?! Well, Chums of mine, I've now learnt that I was stress testing a Test that in itself was compromising the testing - REGION 5. Others here have noted the same.

Secondly I've been doing my own Stress Testing using BORIS MochaPro19, and guess what, my PC is coming through the process with knobs on! Likewise with NEATVideoPro5, Mercalli and Magic Bullet Looks.

Until we can be truly confident of a QA-ed Stress Test, I can't, won't be subjecting my NEW PC to something that is neither QA-ed and compliant with VP16. This is a pity, as we could've seen just what this rig can do. So no, as suggested, I shan't be substituting GPU CARDS, nor removng GPU Acceleration.

Pity . . . .

 

Grazie

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JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 1:19 AM

@Grazie You’ve now posted to a thread thats in some sense dedicated to a 4K Red Car and 4K Sample project tests. So just to be clear are you still referring to the 2011 2K Red Car test or the @Howard-Vigorita Red Car test.

If you’re still referring to the original 2K Red Car test, many users with more basic specced machines can playback region 5 aok.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/11/2019, 1:38 AM

@Grazie You’ve now posted to a thread thats in some sense dedicated to a 4K Red Car and 4K Sample project tests.

@JN_ - Hi, yes I’m aware. And wished to voice my experience of the test that I had the misfortune to get involved in, and at the same time issue a warning that any test needs to be fully compliant to Test in VP424.

So just to be clear are you still referring to the 2011 2K Red Car test or the @Howard-Vigorita Red Car test.

@JN_ - I wish I knew. Other than “getting” it from the post where I’d asked for it?

If you’re still referring to the original 2K Red Car test, many users with more basic specced machines can playback region 5 aok.

@JN_ - If I could be absolutely 100% certain, or even confirm, that the test I was testing was the original 2K then it’s good to know. I should really interrogate the Media and see if it coughs-up 4K. That would go a long way in confirming it isn’t the VP11 RCTest?

I look forward to seeing how things progress here, and that my wish is that the Test is Compliant for VP16 B424.

Grazie

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JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 1:45 AM

@Grazie I’m pretty sure you’re using the original 2K test. The 4 K version was only made available around the 8th July.

Don't forget to vote.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

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VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

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PC ...

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Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 1:52 AM

@Grazie “If I could be absolutely 100% certain, or even confirm, that the test I was testing was the original 2K then it’s good to know. “

Just check the dates on the media, i’m sure you’ll find its quite old.

Maybe to put your mind at ease on this question, I can make available a download link from my dropbox to the same 2K Red Car project that my 4 1/2 year old HP laptop plays flawlessly, let me know if you need that.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

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VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:04 AM

Just check the dates on the media, i’m sure you’ll find its quite old.

@JN_ - If that is the case, then why should Region 5 still be a kludge on a my new PC? And moving forward, what Test comes up for testing here, let’s have it compliant, please?

 

Grazie

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PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:18 AM

Just check the dates on the media, i’m sure you’ll find its quite old.

@JN_ - If that is the case, then why should Region 5 still be a kludge on a my new PC? And moving forward, what Test comes up for testing here, let’s have it compliant, please?

 

@Grazie “If that is the case, then why should Region 5 still be a kludge on a my new PC?

I really don’t know, if it plays well on many other users PC's, some a lot less specced, then maybe it has to be, say a graphics driver or something about your machine that’s different.

And moving forward, what Test comes up for testing here, let’s have it compliant, please?

I don’t know who would be competent to test compliance. Simplest maybe is to see if most users can run the tests ok.

Have you tried either of the two 4K projects yet? Voting closes on the 16th.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

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VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

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PC ...

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Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:30 AM

Have you tried either of the two 4K projects yet? Voting closes on the 16th.

@JN_ - No, and yes I really should. @JN_ Please give me a link, just to be sure I’m getting the correct one.

Grazie

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PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:38 AM

@Grazie The thing is Grazie, this is a project that was made for machines circa 2011, its got regions marked off, the better to test and observe playback within those regions, it wasn’t only about render time.

Theres a pdf included that gives graphs etc.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

JN_ wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:42 AM

 

I'll leave it there till noon, its the one I use. I assume your previous post was a request for original test, new tests have links in this thread, see my post on the 10th.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Grazie wrote on 7/11/2019, 2:52 AM

@Grazie The thing is Grazie, ......it wasn’t only about render time.

@JN_ - Sure, I get that. But I can’t even Preview! If I take it out AND set up a separate VEG that Region 5 still kludges. All the other Regions play/Preview fine.

Grazie

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